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1365 THE CIRCUIT COURT OF SHELBY COUNTY, TENNESSEE THIRTIETH JUDICIAL DISTRICT AT MEMPHIS _____________________________________________ CORETTA SCOTT KING, MARTIN LUTHER KING, III, BERNICE KING, DEXTER SCOTT KING and YOLANDA KING, Plaintiffs, Vs. Case No. 97242-4 T.D. LOYD JOWERS and OTHER UNKNOWN CO-CONSPIRATORS, Defendants. _____________________________________________ PROCEEDINGS December 1, 1999 VOLUME X _______________________________________________ Before the Honorable James E. Swearengen, Division 4, Judge presiding. _______________________________________________ DANIEL, DILLINGER, DOMINSKI, RICHBERGER, WEATHERFORD COURT REPORTERS Suite 2200, One Commerce Square Memphis, Tennessee 38103 (901) 529-1999
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- APPEARANCES -
For the Plaintiffs:
MR. WILLIAM PEPPER Attorney at Law 575 Madison Avenue, Suite 1006 New York, New York 10022 (212) 605-0515
For the Defendant:
MR. LEWIS K. GARRISON, Sr. MR. JOHN H. BLEDSOE Attorneys at Law 100 North Main Street, Suite 1025 Memphis, Tennessee 38103 (901) 527-6445
For the Attorney General:
MR. MICHAEL MYERS Assistant Attorney General 425 Fifth Avenue North Nashville, Tennessee 37243 (615) 741-3491
Reported by:
MS. MARGIE J. ROUTHEAUX Registered Professional Reporter Daniel, Dillinger, Dominski, Richberger & Weatherford 2200 One Commerce Square Memphis, Tennessee 38103
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- INDEX -
WITNESS: PAGE NUMBER
MARK GLANKLER
Direct Examination By Mr. Garrison --------------- 1448
Cross-Examination By Mr. Pepper ----------------- 1461
Redirect Examination By Mr. Garrison --------------- 1468
DEXTER KING
Direct Examination By Mr. Pepper ----------------- 1476
Cross-Examination By Mr. Garrison --------------- 1532
Redirect Examination By Mr. Pepper ----------------- 1541
Recross-Examination By Mr. Garrison --------------- 1542
TRIAL EXHIBITS
30 --------------- 1385 (Collective) 31 --------------- 1508 32 --------------- 1511 33 --------------- 1539
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P R O C E E D I N G S
(December 1st, 1999, 9:55 a.m.)
MR. MYERS: ... work product and
certain other items involving confidential
informants and the like can be removed and
held from the public. Because records have
been released does not necessarily constitute
a waiver of work product -- the work product
privilege. That doesn't mean that Judge
Beasley or Judge Duire's thought processes
were in there. Neither side has come forward
and said, here are papers from Judge Beasley
and Judge Duire. Here is their stuff on
thought processes, mental impressions,
beliefs, legal theories of the case.
None of that has been shown or
identified as having been produced. And to
somehow say something has been waived,
without coming in and being specific as to
what it is that has been waived, is not
valid. I mean, ordinarily if one is going to
show a waiver of any privilege, one has got
to be fairly specific concerning what it is
that's been given up. Yet neither side here
has come in and identified that.
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There's been discussions about
wanting to talk to an investigator who
apparently has been talking to people for
several years. This case has been pending
for a while. The way the Court systems work,
a case doesn't get filed on day one and tried
on day two.
And under the discovery rules, which
would govern this case, the Rules of Civil
Procedure, starting with Rule 26 going
through Rule 37, there could have been
attempts made to discover this stuff before
coming to trial. If all these serious
allegations were out there to be raised, why
weren't depositions taken before this time?
Why weren't subpoenas put out for
depositions? Why weren't records inspected,
people called in? In the normal course of a
civil action, this is what happens.
And if these people were so
important and so critical to the case, and
that this is literally pay money or not, why
wasn't an attempt made before this time --
before now to call these witnesses into
court? One would expect that a lawyer
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doesn't want to put somebody on the stand
without knowing what he's going to say.
That's playing Russian roulette with one's
malpractice policy a lot of times.
Supposedly, Judges Duire and Beasley
are supposed to have made false statements,
and this has supposedly been known a while.
Why weren't they questioned before this
time? The statute that provides the
exemption of testimony from trial does allow
depositions in certain cases. That could
have been done. It hasn't. These files have
been open to anybody. So to determine
whether Mr. Jowers had any involvement in the
murder of Dr. King, and if this is a public
report, then this public report may have
identified witnesses, may have identified
evidence. Why haven't these people been
sought out, questioned and brought in?
Under Rule 602 those would be the
people who are competent to testify in this
Court rather than bringing in prosecutors who
handled the case 30 years ago. There's been
talk about missing items of evidence. Not
conceding that's true or not. How would
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Judge Beasley and Judge Duire know about
that?
The case happened 30 years ago.
There's been no -- no evidence or suggestion
that any of these files have been in their
exclusive control or custody over this time.
And, in fact, in all likelihood, they became
just records within the District Attorney
General's office. And given the historical
significance of the facts involved, it would
not be surprising if many people haven't
rummaged through those files. Certainly they
would be of interest to academic historians.
They would be of interest perhaps to other
authors or members of the public who wanted
to know something that happened.
What it sounds like is going on is a
case that rather than calling these people
and checking it out and sifting through the
evidence, let's try to bring the lawyers in
and get them to do -- or an investigator and
get them to do our homework for us. And,
again, that gets right back to work product.
Lawyers are not required to do somebody
else's trial prep, are not required to do
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somebody else's civil discovery.
And the law generally protects it
except in those extraordinary circumstances
where the exclusive control rests perhaps
within the lawyer's hands, and then it goes
only to factual material. For all these
reasons we would ask the Court, again, to
quash the subpoena.
MR. GARRISON: Your Honor, can I
just reply briefly to that?
THE COURT: Yes, sir.
MR. GARRISON: If Your Honor
please, first of all, when the Attorney
General says that we didn't take an
initiative stand for Mr. Glankler -- take
depositions, they have filed a report --
about a 50, 75-page report to indicate all
the things that he did in the investigation.
I have seen reports. It's a matter of public
record.
So, I mean, I knew what he said.
I've talked to him personally more than
once. He has told me about my client calling
and he recorded a statement and so on and so
forth. So, I mean, I don't know what I can
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gain by a deposition. He's publicly made
statements about this.
Now, as far as Judge Beasley and
Judge Duire, if Your Honor please, they have
been on television the last 15 months making
statements about this case. Strange that
they got on television, they have given press
conferences to the press here in Memphis.
It's strange they get on television and tell
the whole world about what they know about
this case but they can't come in here and
tell 12 people. And their testimony, if the
Court please, I think is absolutely essential
to the defense of this case. As far as
Mr. Jowers is concerned, it's a very serious
case, a historical matter.
And, if Your Honor please, if Your
Honor's discretion will permit you to require
them to come in -- I have two or three
questions I want to ask them. And Mr. Myers
can object to it if I ask them anything that
he feels is not pertinent. But I think that
in view of the public policy in this case, in
view the historical nature of this case, the
importance of it, that they should be
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required to come in and testify, and
certainly Mr. Glankler. There's no exemption
under any law that I can think of.
THE COURT: In checking the
statute, 24-9-101, the Court doesn't find any
provision that would automatically exclude
these parties. One of the most sacred rights
in our judicial system is that right to
subpoena witnesses on one's behalf.
Now, it's said that these parties --
it's anticipated that certain questions may
be asked of these witnesses which would be
improper. If that is so, the time to react
to that would be at the time that the
question is asked. At that point the Court
would determine the relevance or the
admissibility of the answer they gave.
It's also suggested that there were
opportunities before the trial to discover or
to take advantage of certain information.
All of you as lawyers know that during the
course of a trial issues arise, and the
defendant has no way to anticipate all of the
proof that is to be presented by the
plaintiff and, therefore, cannot prepare in
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advance always for issues that may arise and
know how to construct his defense.
As far as playing roulette by
bringing in witnesses that have not been
interviewed -- first of all, according to the
defendant, he has spoken with these
witnesses. And in addition to that, if a
party wants to play roulette and take that
chance, the Court has no control over it.
The bottom line is that the Court
does not feel that the motion is well taken,
and I'm going to deny it.
MR. MYERS: Your Honor, at this
time I would just like to ask for sufficient
time to file a Rule 9 application for
interlocutory appeal on this -- on this
point. And I would cite in 9(A)(1)
irreparable injury. There have been
privileges asserted with respect to work
product and the like. And if a witness is
forced to take the stand and made to testify,
that privilege is, for all intents and
purposes, lost.
Second, with respect to
prosecutorial immunity -- and the case is
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going that way in terms of required showing
before a prosecutor should be called as a
witness. Those very items are of such a
nature as they would be lost unless allowed
to be fully litigated within the -- the
appellate process.
THE COURT: I'm going to deny
your request. Anything further?
MR. GARRISON: No, sir.
MR. PEPPER: No, Your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. The
Court is going to take ten minutes.
(Brief break taken.)
MR. PEPPER: Your Honor, if it
please the Court, the plaintiffs are nearing
the end of their case. And in the absence of
the defendant, Mr. Loyd Jowers, plaintiffs
have decided that based on an earlier
deposition of Mr. Jowers, it might be just as
cost effective in terms of time to read
portions of that deposition into the record
and putting the entire deposition into
evidence, along with the relevant exhibits.
THE COURT: All right.
MR. PEPPER: That saves us
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having to go to Mr. Jowers and deposing him
again. This deposition was taken on the 2nd
of November, 1994, in an earlier case styled
James Earl Ray, Plaintiff, versus Loyd
Jowers, Raul, and other unknown co-
conspirators, Case Number 641892-0.
On Page 238 of the deposition, a
question to Mr. Jowers had to do with an
interview he had given to an ABC reporter,
Mr. Sam Donaldson. And leading up to the
question was: "He is saying: Did James Earl
Ray kill Martin Luther King? Do you see your
answer to that question--"
Answer -- this is the defendant,
Mr. Jowers -- "yes."
Question: "-- as it appears in the
transcript? Was that your response to that
question Mr. Donaldson asked?"
Answer: "No."
Question: "Then he said, do you
know who killed Martin Luther King?"
And the answer, Mr. Jowers:
"Mr. Pepper, I think I better take the Fifth
Amendment on that. Do you want me to read it
to you?"
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Question: "Yes."
Mr. Jowers: "On the advice of my
attorney, I invoke the right to refuse to
answer on the Fifth Amendment of the
Constitution on the grounds that it might
tend to incriminate me."
Question: "That's fair enough.
That transcript that we've entered into the
record says: Do you know who killed Martin
Luther King, Jr.? The transcript has you
saying: Yes.
"You have refused to repeat that
answer here before us. Are you prepared,
though, to deny that you gave that answer at
that time?"
Mr. Jowers' answer: "Do you want me
to read this to you again?"
Question: "Yes."
Answer, Mr. Jowers: "On the advice
of my attorney, I take the privilege to plead
the Fifth Amendment according to the United
States Constitution that it might tend to
incriminate me."
Question: "Mr. Jowers, would you
take that position in respect of each of
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those highlighted questions in the text, or
is there any of those questions that you feel
that you could safely answer?"
Answer, Mr. Jowers: "I plead the
Fifth on all those questions."
Question: "On all of these?"
Answer: "Yes, sir. After going
back and reading, pleading the Fifth
Amendment."
Question: "I understand that. You
made that clear."
Dr. Pepper: "I'd just like to note,
Counsel, for the record with exception to the
pleading of the Fifth by Mr. Jowers on a
basis of the fact that the accuracy of the
transcript has been already agreed to and
entered into the record, and that being the
case it becomes our position --"
Attorney Garrison: "Okay.
Dr. Pepper, we will stipulate that the
questions were asked and Mr. Jowers gave
these answers."
Dr. Pepper: "Okay. We accept
that stipulation."
(End of Deposition testimony.)
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MR. PEPPER: Now, Exhibit 1 to
that deposition was the transcript of an ABC
news PrimeTime Live program, which was
televised on December 16, 1993. And in the
course of that program, in the course of that
interview, the following exchange took
place.
(Reading from Exhibit 1.)
Donaldson: "Mr. Jowers, did James
Earl Ray kill Martin Luther King?"
Loyd Jowers: "No, sir, he did not."
Donaldson: "Do you know who killed
Dr. King?"
Mr. Jowers: "I know who was paid to
do it."
Donaldson: "Was there a conspiracy
involving more than one person?"
Mr. Jowers: "There was a
conspiracy. Yes, sir, sure was."
Donaldson: "Were you involved in
this conspiracy to kill Martin Luther King,
Jr.?"
Mr. Jowers: "I was involved in it
indirectly."
Mr. Jowers, continuing on Page 2:
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"Liberto had done me a large favor. I owed
him a favor. You know, at least I thought I
did."
Donaldson: "Did there come a time
when he came and asked you to repay that
favor?"
Mr. Jowers: "Yes, sir."
Donaldson: "And was it a large
favor he wanted in return?"
Mr. Jowers: "Yes, sir."
Donaldson: "What did Frank Liberto
ask you to do?"
Mr. Jowers: "He asked me to handle
some money transaction, hire someone to
assassinate Dr. Martin Luther King."
Donaldson: "To kill Dr. King?"
Mr. Jowers: "Yes, sir. He asked me
if I know someone. I told him I thought I
knew someone who would probably do it."
Donaldson: "And he gave you some
money?"
Mr. Jowers: "Yes, sir."
Donaldson: "Large amount of money?"
Mr. Jowers: "Large amount of money,
yes, sir. Delivered it to the cafe."
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Donaldson on a voice-over:
"PrimeTime has been told there was
approximately $100,000 delivered to Jowers in
a produce box, but that's not all he
received. Jowers says another man came to
see him, a man whose name sounded something
like Raul."
Mr. Jowers: "And he looked like he
was part Mexican, possibly part Indian,
because he didn't have a heavy beard, talked
with an accent."
Donaldson: "Did he bring a rifle
with him?"
Mr. Jowers: "Yes, sir. He brought
a rifle in a box."
Donaldson: "What did he ask you to
do with this rifle?"
Mr. Jowers: "He asked me to hold
the rifle until we made -- he made
arrangements or we made arrangements, one or
the other of us, for the killing."
Donaldson voice-over: "So now
Jowers had the money, had the rifle, had been
asked to hire a shooter, but he says Frank
Liberto also provided a cover."
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Donaldson: "Did he talk about the
police?"
Mr. Jowers: "Liberto? Yes, sir."
Donaldson: "What did he say?"
Mr. Jowers: "He said they wouldn't
be there. Said they wouldn't be there that
night."
Donaldson: "Did he say there would
be a decoy there?"
Mr. Jowers: "Yes, sir. Said he had
set it up where it looked like somebody else
did the killing."
Donaldson voice-over: "Enter James
Earl Ray. Was he part of the conspiracy?"
Mr. Jowers: "He was part of it, but
I don't believe he knew he was part of it."
Donaldson: "Well, Mr. Jowers, did
you find someone to do the killing?"
Mr. Jowers: "Yes, sir."
Donaldson: "Why would a person
participate in a conspiracy to kill
Dr. King?"
Mr. Jowers: "A portion of it,
naturally, was for money. Any involvement I
might have had in it was doing a friend --
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doing a friend a favor."
Donaldson: "Would it have been
because you hated Dr. King?"
Mr. Jowers: "No, I didn't hate
Dr. King."
Donaldson: "Or hated black people?"
Mr. Jowers: "No, sir. It was for a
friend, doing a friend a favor that I owed
him, a large favor."
Donaldson: "Well, is doing a friend
a favor called murder the kind of favor you
would do?"
Mr. Jowers: "Depends on how good a
friend it is and what you owed the friend."
(End of testimony read from
Exhibit 1.)
MR. PEPPER: Your Honor, that's
the end of the portion of the exhibit to be
inserted into the record, and move that the
entire deposition of November 2, 1994, and
all of the exhibits attached thereto be
included in this record as plaintiffs'
exhibit at this time.
THE COURT: All right, sir.
(Whereupon said documents were
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marked as Collective Exhibit Number 30.)
THE COURT: Next order of
proof?
MR. GARRISON: If Your Honor
please, we may have portions of the
deposition we may want to read.
THE COURT: Oh, okay.
MR. GARRISON: If I could have
just a second here.
THE COURT: All right.
MR. GARRISON: Your Honor, my
associate, Mr. Bledsoe, is going to read from
the deposition.
THE COURT: All right, sir.
MR. GARRISON: Just read the
questions and the answers that were given.
MR. BLEDSOE: The beginning of
the deposition, question by Dr. Pepper:
(Reading from the November 2,
1994, transcript.)
Q. Mr. Jowers, thank you very much for
coming. I appreciate your cooperation
particularly during this period of time when
there has been a great deal of stress and
difficulty. And we are very grateful to your
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very able counsel, Mr. Garrison, for
assisting in clearing his busy calendar to be
here and help us.
We -- I would like to begin almost
at the beginning in terms of who you are
because I've known you for 16 years.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. But I don't know a great deal about
you.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. So I would like to go back to the
beginning. Could you tell us where you were
born and where you were raised.
A. I was born in Lexington, Tennessee,
on November 20, 1926.
Q. Where did you spend your childhood?
A. I'm sorry, I can't hear you.
Q. Where did you spend your childhood?
A. I moved from there, I was a two-year
old, and my childhood was spent in Kenton,
Tennessee.
Q. Where did you go to school in Kenton?
A. Kenton High School, yes, sir.
Q. Did you graduate from Kenton High
School?
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A. No, sir, I did not.
Q. What did you do after school?
A. I went into the military.
Q. Where did you go in the military;
which branch of the service?
A. Navy.
Q. In the Navy. What did you do there?
A. I was the helmsman on the ship. I
went to school for six weeks to be a helmsman
on a ship.
Q. What period of time would that have
been?
A. What period of time?
Q. Yeah, when was that?
A. 1944 through '46 -- through part of
'46.
Q. Where were you stationed?
A. On a ship out of Norfolk, Virginia.
Q. Off the Norfolk coast?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And what did you do after the --
after you were discharged?
A. After I was discharged in Memphis,
Tennessee, or Millington, I moved to Memphis
and continued living here and went to school.
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Q. But you mentioned Millington. Were
you sent to Millington as part of your --
A. I was sent to Millington to be
discharged, yes, sir, from Norfolk.
Q. Were you there just for the purpose
of discharge or --
A. Yes.
Q. -- were you stationed there?
A. No, sir, I was not stationed there,
just for purposes of being discharged.
Q. You were discharged out of
Millington?
A. Right.
Q. What was your rank on termination?
A. Seaman II.
Q. What was the nature of your
discharge?
A. Honorable discharge.
Q. And your parents, Mr. Jowers, where
were they during all this period of time?
A. They lived in Kenton, Tennessee.
Q. What was your father's occupation?
A. He was a farmer.
Q. So you were a farming family?
A. Yes, sir.
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Q. Did you have any brothers or sisters?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Who were they?
A. Well, I had an oldest brother named
Carl; brother named Max; younger brother
named Billy; older sister named Mary; one
older one named Nellie and one named Willa
Mae, Elsie and Dolly.
Q. That's a large family.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did they all survive childhood?
A. Yes, sir, all of them.
Q. Are they all still alive?
A. No, sir, some of them are.
Q. Some of them are.
A. Oldest brother Carl is deceased; my
oldest sister Mary is deceased. All the rest
of them are still living.
Q. Did any of them move into Memphis or
did they stay --
A. I have two sisters living in Memphis
now, yes, sir.
Q. You have two sisters. Who are the
two sisters presently living in Memphis?
A. One of them's name is Willa Mae
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Witherspoon and the other one's name is Elsie
Whitley.
Q. Elsie Whitley, and what was the name
of the Witherspoon?
A. Willa Mae.
Q. Willa Mae Witherspoon, and they
presently live in --
A. Yes, sir.
Q. -- Memphis?
A. Uh-huh.
Q. So you would have then entered
Memphis for purposes of living around 1946,
upon discharge?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Where did you live when you came to
Memphis in 1946?
A. I lived with my uncle at 612 St.
Pauly Street.
Q. Now, was that your mother's brother?
A. My mother's brother.
Q. Your mother's brother. And where did
you work when you were living there?
A. I went to school at JB Cook Company
on the GI Bill of Rights. I did finish that
course, almost two years.
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Q. Yes.
A. When I finished that, I went on to
the police department. I was a city
policeman. I don't know the exact date.
Some time in April or May of 1946 through all
of 1948. I resigned December 2, 1948.
Q. So you were on the police force for
nearly two years was it?
A. Yes, sir, two years.
Q. Two years. And you went to join the
police force after you took this training
course?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You just applied to the police
force. Why did you think of becoming a
policeman at that point?
A. Well, I really can't explain it
except it seemed like a good job.
Q. So you applied. Did they have -- I
don't suppose they had any training academies
back in those days.
A. No, sir, they did not. You got all
your training with the older policemen.
Q. And what were your early duties when
you went on the police force?
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A. I went right into a squad car.
Q. You were on street patrols?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Primarily riding or on foot?
A. No, I was riding. They didn't have
foot patrols back then.
Q. What area of the city were you
assigned to?
A. Over a two-year period I run, I
guess, every ward in the city. They
transferred you from one ward to another back
then.
Q. Right.
A. You run this ward, like downtown was
Ward II this month, next month you might be
in east Memphis, Ward II. They just switched
everyone around, switched partners, switched
wards, automobiles, the whole nine yards.
Q. Who was your partner? You were in a
two-man squad car, were you?
A. Yes, sir, all cars were two-man.
Q. Who was your partner, do you recall?
A. I guess probably over two years I was
with about every policeman on the force.
Q. They rotated you?
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A. They rotated the partners also -- the
partners also every month. I'll give you a
couple of names. I can't remember all of
them.
Q. Sure. Who were some of the people
with whom you partnered?
A. Johnny Barger, I suppose that was the
first one I rode with.
Mr. Garrison: You said Barker?
THE WITNESS: Barger,
B A R G E R. Andy Chitwood was another one.
I think those were the first -- those were
the ones that I got my training from.
Q. (BY DR. PEPPER) Right.
A. Johnny went on to be field
inspector. Chitwood retired. Well, they're
both retired. They're both deceased now.
Q. Right.
Dr. Pepper: Mr. Garrison, as a
matter of procedure, do you mind if
Mr. Chastain -- if he has a question from
time to time, if he comes in?
Mr. Garrison: Go right ahead.
Dr. Pepper: So if there's something
that you would like --
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Mr. Garrison: Let's go off the
record.
(Off-the-record discussion.)
Q. (BY DR. PEPPER) So you were -- during
this period of time you were on squad car
duty and you were moving all over the city?
A. All over the city, yes, sir.
Q. Did they assign you -- was this just
regular patrol? Did you get assigned
particular duties such as vice squad or anti-
gambling or anything like that?
A. I was a city policeman.
Q. So you were on regular detail?
A. Back then we didn't have specialized
departments like they have now. If you had a
crime in your ward, we called them, I guess.
They may still be that, I don't know. The
police run that ward, done their darndest to
solve whatever it was.
Now, they had -- the only specialist
department they had back then was homicide.
The ward called work for the homicide
department. If they had any other department
other than homicide, I didn't know anything
about it.
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Q. Right.
A. They may have, but I didn't know
anything about it.
Q. You didn't know anything about it if
they did?
A. No, sir.
Q. Who was the chief of police during
these two years when you were on the force?
A. I don't remember his first name. His
last name was Perry. That was just a
figurehead here. The boss was the
commissioner.
Q. Right.
A. His name was Joe Boyle.
Q. Joe --
A. Boyle, B O Y L E. He done all the
hiring and firing.
Q. He did all the hiring and firing.
Was he related, as far as you know, to the
Boyles who had a financial interest in the
Chisca Hotel -- to that Boyle family?
A. I think it was the same family.
Q. Same family.
A. I'm not positive.
Q. One of them was a -- they were fairly
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prominent local people?
A. Right.
Q. So you think there was a connection?
A. I'm sure it was. Because back
then -- I'm sure you've heard of Mr. Ed
Crump.
Q. Yes.
A. No one did anything here without his
approval, believe me they didn't.
Q. He pretty much ran the --
A. That includes the police department.
Q. -- city, didn't he?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Can you remember who some of the
inspectors were underneath the chief, such as
the homicide inspector?
A. Field inspectors is what they were
called back then. Was a name by the name of
John Dwyer. No -- yeah, John Dwyer.
Q. Dwyer?
A. Buddy Dwyer? I don't think Buddy and
John were the same.
Mr. Garrison: Yes, they were the
same.
The Witness: They were the same,
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but I couldn't remember.
Q. (BY DR. PEPPER) So he was an
inspector?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Who were some other inspectors that
you recall?
A. Well, now, the inspector, he had a
section of the city and they transferred him
also. He was my inspector the entire time
that I was a policeman.
Q. Uh-huh.
A. And the lieutenants, the one that
had -- I don't know how many cars, five or
six cars. He would go around and meet every
night to make sure we were doing what we were
supposed to do. He would be transferred to a
section of the city also.
Q. Right. But who were some of the
names of the people who were either
inspectors, captains, whom you can recall
now?
A. Well, my immediate captain was
Captain Lovejohn. I don't remember his first
name. If I ever knew it, I don't remember
it.
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Q. Lovejohn?
A. Lovejohn.
Q. Right. Okay. Any other captains you
recall, any other officers?
A. Police officers?
Q. Yes.
A. I guess if you give me enough time I
could remember half of them.
Q. Let me just throw some names and see
if they make any sense to you. One has been
mentioned earlier, "Zachary."
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What was Zachary's position back in
those days when you recall?
A. I recall him as being just a regular
patrolman like I was on a separate shift.
Q. Uh-huh.
A. The way that thing operated back
then, you can have -- he may have been my
relief at one time or another. I can't
remember all those other policemen.
Q. Did you know then Patrolman Zachary?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You knew him back in '46?
A. Yes, sir, but he wasn't on the same
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shift I was on.
Q. Different shift?
A. I believe he was my relief shift.
Q. Did you come to -- continue to know
him over the years?
A. After I left the police department?
Q. Yes.
A. Just in passing is all. I think he
wrote me a ticket one time after I got out of
the police department for speeding.
Q. I see. Do you recall when he started
to move up in the force?
A. No, sir, I do not.
Q. Okay. Did you know Sam Evans, Sr.,
back then?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What was his rank?
A. Just regular patrolman.
Q. He was street patrolman as well. He
started out that way?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And at the time when you left the
force was he still a patrolman or had he
moved up?
A. He was on a separate shift, sir. I'm
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not sure.
Q. You're not sure?
A. No.
Q. But he was a career policeman as
well?
A. Sure.
Q. Did you know Inspector Evans pretty
well when you were on the force?
A. Just in passing is all.
Q. Did you continue to know him after
you left the force?
A. No.
Q. You didn't have much contact --
A. I didn't have any contact with him
that I remember.
Q. -- with him after you left?
A. No, sir.
Q. How about the man who eventually
became chief, McDonald, did you know him back
in those days?
A. I knew him, yes, sir, but he was
field inspector on -- well, I guess you would
call it, if I was on the first shift, he
would be on the second shift.
Q. He was an inspector even back then?
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A. Yes, sir.
Q. That long ago?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How about Chief Lux?
A. Chief Lux, he was on a separate
shift. He wasn't on the one I was on.
Q. Was he also an inspector back then or
was he --
A. I'm not sure.
Q. That's fine. These are -- I'm taking
you back a long way. If you don't remember,
just say I don't remember.
A. That's fine.
Q. How about Graden Tynes?
A. Grady?
Q. Graden Tynes, T Y N E S.
A. Yes, sir, I know him.
Q. You knew him?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How well did you know him?
A. I suppose about as well as I know you
or anyone like that.
Q. Uh-huh, yeah.
A. I'm not sure if he was anything other
than a just regular patrolman. I don't think
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he was.
Q. Right.
A. We went to work at the police
department -- I think he went to work two or
three months after I did.
Q. He came on after you did?
A. I think so, yes, sir. Either before
or after, relatively close.
Q. Right.
A. I never run with him because he was
on a separate shift than I was on.
Q. He was. Did you know Jule Ray?
A. Jule who?
Q. Ray, R A Y. Jule Ray.
A. No.
Q. He eventually became a captain in the
same department as Mr. Tynes, but you don't
remember him?
A. No, sir, I do not.
Q. How about a man who eventually became
an inspector, Don Smith, does that mean
anything to you?
A. I knew Mr. Smith casually. I
remember when he left the patrol and went
into homicide.
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Q. Uh-huh.
A. But I'm not sure if he stayed there
long. Seems to me he didn't stay there very
long.
Q. Now, are we talking about the same
Smith?
A. I'm not sure.
Q. I'm talking about Don Smith, not
Tommy Smith. Tommy Smith was a homicide
detective. Don Smith may have been in
homicide at one time, I don't know.
A. I only knew one. I didn't know the
other one. Don was the one that I knew.
Q. Don was the one you knew, okay.
A. He was on a separate shift than I was
on. I think he was our relief in the squad
cars on occasion back when we were policemen.
Q. Right. Okay. Did you, Mr. Jowers,
keep contact up with any of these names that
we have been through? Now, after you left
the force, did you have any kind of ongoing
social or other contact with them?
A. I did with Grady Tynes, yes, sir.
Q. You did. What was the nature of your
contact with Inspector Tynes?
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A. Well, his wife and my wife went to
school together.
Q. Right.
A. In a little place out from Kenton,
Tennessee, called Mason Hall. In fact, they
graduated from that school.
Q. Right.
A. And we -- we were fairly close
friends. We never talked about police
business after I was not a policeman anymore.
Q. This was your first wife that you're
referring to?
A. Yes.
MR. GARRISON: Go to 30 to 34.
MR. BLEDSOE: Okay. Beginning
on Page 30 at the top of the page. I'm
sorry, the middle of the page.
(Resume reading from the
deposition.)
Q. Many years after the fact when you
had chance to reflect on the police
department back then, was there a fair amount
of corruption that you observed in your
course of your work as a policeman?
A. Well, not a great deal. I think that
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was the purpose of shifting everyone around
all the time. It could have been without me
knowing about it, but I doubt there was very
much.
Q. Right. But if there was corruption,
what form did it take?
A. Well, of course, I can tell you what
I heard. I heard the ward was running crap
games, allowing bootlegging on Sunday.
Q. Minor things like that?
A. Minor things like that. But as far
as that ever taking place, I just don't know.
Q. Right. This is a very useful way of
getting facts on the record, Mr. Jowers, by
you just saying, this is what I heard, but I
don't know or -- I'm perfectly happy for you
to do that any time you want to. It's a
useful way of getting information out without
you being in the frame, if you know what I
mean.
A. Uh-huh.
Q. We all hear things.
A. Sure.
Q. Why did you decide then to leave the
police force?
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A. Well, they didn't pay enough really
for a man to make a living.
Q. Right.
A. They did not. I drew $105 every two
weeks.
Q. Not a lot of money.
A. That's not enough money. Even back
then it wasn't enough money to really get by
on.
Q. In the course of your work in the
police department and coming toward the end
of it, did you have contact with many
business people in Memphis?
A. Many who?
Q. Business people, businessmen.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you come into contact with some
of them?
A. Yes.
Q. Who were some of the more prominent
business people that you knew in Memphis, do
you recall?
A. Well, I guess I better start with the
top, Mr. Ed Crump. I was -- you wouldn't
call me a personal friend, but I knew him and
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he knew my name.
Q. You did know Mr. Crump?
A. Yes.
Q. How did you come to know Mr. Crump?
A. I think the first time I met
Mr. Crump was where I was going to school
under the GI Bill for JB Cook Company. He
and Mr. Cook were good friends. That's the
first time I met him.
Q. Right.
A. That was about -- I had only been
there a couple of months when Mr. Crump come
back.
Q. Uh-huh.
A. I guess that's the most prominent
businessman that I knew.
Q. It probably would be. Let's go down
from there. Who were some of the other
businessmen who you knew?
A. Well, Mr. Dave Jolly. He owned Jolly
Can Company, a large cab company, made a lot
of money. I knew Mr. Hamilton Smythe. He
was -- he didn't own Yellow Cab, but he
managed Yellow Cab Company.
Q. Did Mr. Hamilton Smythe eventually
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come to buy Yellow Cab?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. At the time that you knew him, he was
just the manager?
A. Manager of Yellow Cab.
Q. Was he --
A. Dave Jolly owned Jolly Cab Company.
Q. Was Mr. Smythe a pretty wealthy man
or was he just average means?
A. His family was wealthy. His father
was in -- I knew him, not real well. He was
in the construction business.
Q. Right.
A. He built a number of subdivisions
over the city. One I can remember in
particular out in -- well, it's probably
Midtown now, but back then it was way out
east. In fact, it was out of the city.
Q. I see.
MR. GARRISON: 40 through 42.
MR. BLEDSOE: Beginning at the
top of Page 40.
(Resume reading from the
deposition.)
Q. So you started off at Veterans Cab
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Company in 1948?
A. No, I was still a policeman.
Q. You were still a policeman?
A. Yes, sir. We were organized in --
I'm trying to remember the month. It was
early '48, but I was still a
policeman, continued to be a policeman. No,
it was '47.
Q. Because you left in '48?
A. It was the last part of '47. Seems
to me like September of '47.
Q. Right.
A. I was trying to make it '48, but I
resigned in December '48, so it had to be
'47.
Q. Right. So you were still working as
a policeman and you had this Veterans Cab
Company?
A. I was part of it. Actually, it was
against the Memphis City ordinance to do
anything like that.
Q. Right. Well, people moonlight all
the time, particularly if they don't have
enough money.
A. Right.
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Q. They have to do that sometimes. Who
was your dispatcher back then, do you recall?
A. At the cab company?
Q. Yes.
A. One of them was Paul Brandon. That
was his job.
Q. So he actually worked as dispatcher?
A. Yes.
Q. How long did he stay on as dispatcher
for this cab company; do you recall that?
A. Oh, a number of years. He went from
dispatcher to assistant manager. It seems to
me like he left about 1950 and he went on to
the police department.
Q. He changed. He went to the police
department you --
A. Police department.
Q. -- you had come off?
A. Sold his stock. I bought his stock
in the cab company. Which originally we
weren't supposed to be able to sell the
stock, but we changed the bylaws of the
company where we could buy and sell stock.
Q. Did you become the largest
stockholder at that point in time?
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A. No, sir. Six shares was all I ever
owned for a number of years.
Q. Who was the largest single
shareholder in the company, do you recall?
A. We didn't have one individual who
owned the majority until a number of years.
Q. Uh-huh.
A. I think before anyone really got
control of the company where I would be just
one man was about, heck, I don't know, '54,
'55, somewhere in there.
MR. GARRISON: 171 through 176.
MR. BLEDSOE: Question by
Dr. Pepper.
(Resume reading from the
deposition.)
Q. When you came to work that morning --
that next morning that Mr. Chastain is
referring to, did you come alone or did you
drive anybody with you?
A. No, sir, I drove by myself.
Q. You drove in by yourself --
A. Yes, sir.
Q. -- that next morning? Were you
joined -- who was the staff person who came
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on duty? Did you have any employees?
A. Bobbi.
Q. Bobbi?
A. Uh-huh.
Q. And how did she get to work that
morning, do you recall?
A. I have no idea. Rode a bus, I guess.
Q. She just came in and she met you
there?
A. She came in to work, yeah.
Q. She came in to work and met you?
A. I don't recall whether she was late
or not. She could have been, but I don't
recall.
Q. Right. Mr. Jowers, have you had a
chance to look over these statements that you
gave back at the time in 1968? During the
break did you have a chance to review them?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Is there anything with respect to
this statement that you gave to the Memphis
Police Department that you discussed with
Counsel that you would wish to amend or
change at this time?
A. No, sir.
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Q. That's as you recall it?
A. Yes, sir.
Dr. Pepper: We'll admit that.
Q. (BY DR. PEPPER) This is a statement
given -- this is not a statement. This is
what's known as a 302 taken by the -- it's a
report of an interview done by the FBI on the
7th of April, 1968, with you. It's even
possible you never saw this one before
because often -- most people don't get a
chance to see that. It's an interview with
the FBI, but this talks about a stranger who
was in the Grill.
And I'm wondering if you recall that
interview. Is that an accurate report of the
interview that you gave the FBI with respect
to that stranger?
A. As I remember.
Q. It is. It's an accurate report?
A. Yes, sir.
Mr. Garrison: Dr. Pepper, would you
like to have this marked too?
Dr. Pepper: I would like to have
this marked if that's all right.
The Witness: For the record, that
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statement was not given on the 7th.
Q. (BY DR. PEPPER) It was not?
A. No, sir, the next day. The next day
when I talked to the FBI is the only time I
talked to them.
Q. Mr. Jowers, you're right. The
statement was taped on the 7th and it was
given the next day by you.
A. Right.
Q. You're quite right. I'm going to put
this in and possibly come back to this.
There is a photograph waiting. This
statement was given on -- the date of this
statement is on February 6, 1969. I'm
wondering if you would just take a look at
that and see if that is accurate.
A. Yes, sir.
Dr. Pepper: If Mr. Garrison has no
objection, we'll mark that and put it in.
Q. (BY DR. PEPPER) Now, this is the text
of an interview done with you by the BBC and
it covers a range -- covers a range of
matters, Inspector Charlie Stephens and his
drinking, that you recalled.
A. Uh-huh.
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Q. It discusses the stranger, you are
returning, a whole variety of matters. Would
you just take a look at that. I think you
have probably seen it during the break, but I
just want to be sure that you are happy with
what they reported that you said there.
A. Yes, sir.
Dr. Pepper: We'll mark that.
Q. (BY DR. PEPPER) I want to show you
this photograph and ask you if you have ever
seen this person before, if you recognize
him.
A. No, sir, I don't recall ever seeing
him.
Q. You don't recall having seen this man
before around the Grill or anywhere?
A. No, sir.
Q. Okay, that's fair enough.
MR. GARRISON: 188 through 195.
MR. BLEDSOE: Okay.
(Resume reading from the
deposition.)
Q. I know, but which staff or waitress,
employee, came in that particular morning on
April 4th?
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A. My cook come in, Bobbi come in her
regular time. I think she come in either
7:00 or 7:30. I don't remember the exact
time, but --
Q. Right. She came in at 7:00 or 7:30?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did anyone else come in with Bobbi
that morning?
A. No, sir.
Q. Who was on duty in the course of that
morning?
A. I worked the front and Bobbi was in
the back cooking lunch.
Q. So Bobbi was in the back and you were
in the front?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. So then you would leave at your usual
time, did you?
A. Yes.
Q. Was Bobbi there alone or was there
another waitress there?
A. Bobbi was alone.
Q. Bobbi was alone?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Are you saying that Betty Spates did
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not come in that morning at all?
A. No, she was in the afternoon shift.
Q. What time would she have come in
then?
A. She was scheduled to come in at 4
o'clock.
Q. Do you know or do you recall if she
did in fact come at 4 o'clock that day?
A. She did not, no.
Q. She didn't come in at 4 o'clock that
day?
A. When I come to work, Bobbi told me
that she called in. One of her children was
sick. She wasn't going to be able to work.
Q. So who did you have working that
afternoon?
A. No one. I worked myself. I worked
it by myself.
Q. So you were working that afternoon by
yourself?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Wasn't Bobbi there?
A. She left at 4 o'clock.
Q. She left at 4 o'clock?
A. Yes, sir.
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Q. And Alda, where was Alda?
A. Alda?
Q. Alda Washington, Alda Mae?
A. I don't think she was still working
for me at that time. If she was, it was just
part time, but she was not working that day.
Q. And Rosie Lee Dabney?
A. She had already been gone several
months before then.
Q. She was no longer working?
A. No, sir.
Q. So really who did you have working?
Was Lena working?
A. No, sir.
Q. Where was Lena?
A. Lena had already gone too.
Q. She had left, been discharged -- she
left?
A. Right.
Q. Bobbi was the only one working?
A. I had Bobbi, Betty and myself. And
Alda Mae worked part time, but she was not
working on that day.
Q. She was not working on that day?
A. No.
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Q. So you went away in the morning.
Bobbi was there working.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You returned at about what time?
A. Four o'clock.
Q. At about 4 o'clock. Did you talk to
Bobbi when you came back in there?
A. Just for a few minutes. She told me
that Betty wasn't coming in because one of
her children was sick. She did work over
that afternoon, it seems to me, about 30
minutes to help me to get ready to handle the
night business by myself.
Q. So Betty didn't come. Alda stayed --
Bobbi stayed with you a little longer?
A. Uh-huh.
Q. Then she left and that left you
there, effectively, all alone?
A. Right.
Q. Did she give any other reports on any
other people that came in that day or that
she had seen that day?
A. Not anything out of the ordinary. Of
course, she didn't have to tell me about
Charlie Stephens being down there drunk
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because he was there drunk when I went in.
Q. Right.
A. Actually, I went right in and went to
work because she was real busy.
Q. I see. So you went right in and went
right to work?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What time did you leave that morning,
9 or 10 o'clock as usual?
A. I think it was 10:00, 10:30.
Q. Ten or 10:30 you left that morning?
A. Uh-huh.
Q. To return at what time?
A. I returned at 4 o'clock.
Q. At 4 o'clock?
A. Uh-huh.
Q. Which car were you driving that day;
do you recall?
A. I was driving the Cadillac.
Q. Where was the Rambler -- the brown
Rambler station wagon?
A. My wife was driving that.
Q. Your wife was driving that. When you
came back at 4:00 and you parked your car,
where did you park?
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A. Well, when I turned the corner and
drove in there, there was a white car sitting
right in front of the building, right in my
parking spot. So I pulled right up against
him like that.
Q. Right.
A. Left my car close to the fire plug.
Q. Left your car close to the fire plug?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What kind of car was that, do you
recall?
A. All I can recall about it, it was a
white or light colored Mustang.
Q. Did you look at the license plate?
A. It was an out-of-state license.
Q. Out-of-state. Did you know which
state?
A. Didn't pay no attention what state, I
sure didn't.
Q. Did you notice any other cars parked
either behind you or in front of the Mustang?
A. Well, in front of the Mustang there
was cars all the way to the corner. I didn't
move my car down there because there was no
place to move it in front of the Mustang or
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back the other way. All that was full of
automobiles too.
Q. Do you know which kinds of
automobiles those were?
A. I have no idea.
Q. You don't remember which ones they
were. When you arrived to work, you
proceeded from which street onto South Main?
How did you come into South Main?
A. I come down -- I would come down the
expressway and get off -- sometimes I get off
on Vance, sometimes I get off on Crump and
come around. I think that afternoon I come
around because I was going in the right
direction where I wouldn't have to turn
around.
MR. GARRISON: Continue on to
213.
MR. BLEDSOE: From there?
MR. GARRISON: To 213.
MR. BLEDSOE: To 213?
MR. GARRISON: Mm-hum.
(Resume reading from the
deposition.)
Q. Which way did you -- which side of
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the street did you come out, did you proceed
west on? Which one led you up to South Main
Street?
A. Huling, Talbot, the one that went
right down by the fire station. I'm not
really sure which street that is.
Q. Well, that's Butler. By the fire
station is Butler.
A. Butler, yes.
Q. So you came up Butler?
A. Come up Butler where I would be on
the right side of the street.
Q. Proceeded north on South Main, pulled
right in there and then went right inside?
A. Right.
Q. Then you began to work. How many
people were in there at the time?
A. There were several people in there.
A lot of them was from M.E. Carter.
Q. Do you remember some of the names of
some of the people? If you could close your
eyes for a moment, could you recall who were
actually in there on the 4th of April around
4 o'clock?
A. I really can't. I know Charlie
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Stephens was in there.
Q. How long did he stay?
A. He didn't stay but a few minutes
after I got there.
Q. But you don't remember any other
ones?
A. Absolutely, no, sir.
Q. But you have previously -- when your
memory was fresher back at the time, you did
give some names and you've reviewed that.
A. At that time I could have told you
everyone in there.
Q. Sure. But we didn't expect you to
recall all of those things. You didn't leave
the Grill at any time once you arrived there?
A. No, sir, I did not.
Q. What did you proceed to do at that
point in time when you got in? What did you
do? Did you go in the back? Did you work on
the counter?
A. Right up front working the counter.
Like I said, the cook stayed over long enough
to get the food out on the steam table for
the supper crowd.
Q. Then she left?
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A. Then she left, yes.
Q. Was Harold Parker in there? I'm
going to just jog your memory a bit.
A. Harold never did come in until --
normally around 5:00, 5:30.
Q. Did he come in, as you recall, around
5:00, 5:30 that day?
A. I think he come in a little earlier
than normal for some reason or other, 4:30.
Q. Right.
A. Because I had only been there a short
while when he come in.
Q. Right. Now, when Bobbi left, did
you -- what did you do? Did you take over
all of her duties yourself?
A. Yeah. Sure. If they wanted a
sandwich, I prepared it for them. I waited
on them just like a waitress would.
Q. There were quite a number of people
there at the time?
A. Yes, sir, sure was.
Q. Around the time we know the shooting
took place, as you may recall, was slightly
after 6 o'clock.
A. Uh-huh.
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Q. Where were you at the time?
A. I was behind the counter working.
Q. The counter being -- we've seen it
down along on the side?
A. Uh-huh.
Q. What were you doing?
A. When the actual noise went off, I was
drawing a beer, a pitcher of beer. It took a
few minutes to draw. I had it about half
drawn when the noise went off and I quit.
Q. Right. What did you do? What did
you do when you heard the noise?
A. I went back in the kitchen door. It
sounded like a noise in the kitchen so I went
and checked. Walked by Parker and asked, did
you hear that noise? And he said, yes, he
did. He didn't know what it was. I looked
inside the kitchen and wasn't nothing there.
So I went on back to finish drawing my
pitcher of beer.
Q. What was the next thing that you knew
that something was wrong?
A. When the police come to the door,
they told me to lock the door and don't --
there had been a shooting upstairs and told
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me to lock the door and don't let anyone in
or out. So that's what I done.
Q. So you locked the door?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Everyone that was in stayed in?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You let no one else into the place?
A. Not until the policeman brought a
black guy there and told me to put him in
there, that he was out in the street and it
was too dangerous out there.
Q. Who was that black guy, do you know?
A. Frank Holt.
Q. Are you sure that the man brought to
the door and put inside was Frank Holt and
not Robert Wheeler?
A. I'm sure it was Frank Holt, sure.
Q. You're sure of that?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Because there is an FBI statement
that says that Robert Wheeler was put inside
there. You don't recall a second person
being put in?
A. I'm sure I'd remember if it was, but
I don't think so.
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Q. Right. At about what time was
Mr. Holt put in there?
A. Quite a while after that. Could have
been as late as 7 o'clock.
Q. That late?
A. Yes, sir. It was already beginning
to get dark and 6 o'clock -- it was still
real daylight.
Q. Do you remember, Mr. Jowers, a
particular customer who ordered eggs and
sausage in the restaurant that afternoon or
at some point in the course of that day, a
man who had eggs and sausage and then
returned the next morning and also had eggs
and sausage?
A. Sure, I recall that.
Q. You recall that man?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. In fact, you took some action with
respect to that man, didn't you? What do you
recall that you did?
A. I told the police about him going in
there. What made me remember him being there
was ordering breakfast up in the day, almost
time for lunch.
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Q. Right.
A. He ordered a breakfast special. I
went on working on lunch and I fixed his
breakfast for him. The next morning -- and
they told me if he came back in, be sure to
call them. So the next morning around 9:00,
9:30, he come in again, ordered the same
thing.
Q. Same thing?
A. Sitting at the counter, same place.
Q. About what time -- you're sitting at
the counter on the side?
A. Sure.
Q. About what time did he order this
breakfast, this eggs and sausage meal?
A. The first time?
Q. Yes.
A. I think that's the last thing I done
before I went home, so it had to be close to
11 o'clock. We already had most of the steam
table out.
Q. So you were going to leave -- you
were leaving around 10:30, elevenish; is that
what you're saying?
A. Yes.
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Q. Did you actually prepare that eggs
and sausage for him?
A. Yes, sir, I sure did.
Q. So you served him yourself?
A. I sure did. I did also the next
morning.
Q. Also the next morning?
A. Yes, sir. I also went and called the
police for him.
Q. This is a report of that actually
written by, when he was a reporter,
Mr. Chastain here. I just wonder if you
could, if you would take a quick look at
that. And this is -- one and two are the
relevant portions that deal with this
instant.
I'll strike out all the rest, but I
want to make sure that that seems to be
accurate. If anything doesn't gibe with your
memory -- I'm trying to get the historical
record correct here, or we will change it.
A. I don't see anything wrong with it.
Q. Is that basically accurate? Is that
sort of what happened?
A. (Witness nodding head affirmatively.)
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Dr. Pepper: What I would like you
to do is strike all that that doesn't relate
to this. I'm boxing in what I think is.
Mr. Garrison: Okay.
Dr. Pepper: Just stuff that relates
to this.
Q. (BY DR. PEPPER) Who was that police
captain that told you about this fellow
having some real connections here? Do you
recall who that captain was?
A. No, sir, I do not.
Q. Or remember his name at all?
A. No, sir.
Q. It wasn't Captain Jack Wallace, or it
couldn't have been Evans, he was an inspector
back then.
A. No, sir.
Q. You don't remember --
A. It could have been, but I don't
really know.
Q. Or Mulner?
A. No, sir.
Q. But you do remember this man who
appeared and had eggs and sausage in your
place on the 4th of April in the late-ish
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morning and then early again the next
morning, and you called the police and they
came and took him away?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Could you tell us now whether this
looks like the man or whether you can say
whether that was the man. And this is a
copy.
A. No, sir, I don't believe that's him.
No, sir, I sure don't.
Q. You don't remember that this is the
man?
A. No, sir, I do not.
Q. How would you describe this fellow?
How tall was he? And do you recall, did he
have dark hair?
A. It would be hard to describe him now
because that's been a long time ago.
Q. Yes, it has. Do you recall at
various times you have identified this man as
the man who was there? Do you recall that
having been shown these photographs
previously, years ago, that you did identify
the man?
A. It seems now to me I recall seeing
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the picture that I said it looked like him.
I didn't say it was him.
Q. Okay. Photographs are tricky
anyway. This is a mug shot which gives you a
slightly different perspective. Does that
ring any bell with you?
A. No, sir, it does not.
Q. That doesn't either. Okay. That's
fine. Now, during all of this period of time
in the aftermath of the shooting of Dr. King,
you continued business, did you, as usual in
the restaurant?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you follow the events of the case
that were going on?
A. The events of what?
Q. The events of the case when they
apprehended Mr. Ray, brought him back, were
you aware of basically what was happening in
1968?
A. Just the account of it on the news or
the newspaper, yes.
Q. Did you ever yourself go up to the
courthouse at any time when there were
hearings going on with Mr. Ray?
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A. No, I did not.
Q. You don't recall ever going up there?
A. No, sir.
Q. Have you ever discussed the case with
anyone?
A. Not that I recall other than
investigators asking me questions. Or they
had one investigator there that worked for
them, I guess asked me every question in the
world I suppose.
Q. Which agency was he with?
A. What was his name, Lewis?
Mr. Garrison: Mr. Hamby.
Q. (BY DR. PEPPER) Did the Memphis
Police Department call him?
A. No, he was a private investigator.
Mr. Garrison: Oh, that was Renfroe
Hayes.
Q. (BY DR. PEPPER) Oh, Renfroe Hayes.
A. Mr. Chastain remembers him, I'm sure.
Q. We all remember Renfroe Hayes.
A. I just couldn't remember his name.
Q. He asked you lots of questions, did
he?
A. Every day.
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Q. He just came by and probably asked
the same ones over and over again.
A. Over and over, yes, sir.
Q. He might even have forgotten that he
asked them. So, anyway, you were subject
obviously to an awful lot of questions.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you during this period of time
ever have any contact with Mr. Frank Liberto?
A. No, sir.
Q. You never saw him or talked to him or
had any contact at all with him?
A. No, sir.
Q. Nor anyone representing him or --
A. No, sir.
Q. -- being close to him. What happened
to Mr. Charlie Stephens during this period of
time?
A. I don't know if it was that same
night or whether it was the next day, but
they put a 24-hour a day guard on Charlie
Stephens -- the police department did.
Q. Right.
A. I saw him every day.
Q. Was he brought into your place to eat
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and drink?
A. Sure.
Q. Who paid his bills?
A. Well, what little pay I got was from
the policeman on a portion that was
paid, something like 50 some dollars for one
time. That was a very small portion of it.
Q. That was supposedly from the police
department?
A. Police Department.
Q. That they were going to --
A. Yes, sir.
Q. -- make sure that Charlie was taken
care of?
A. Right.
Q. Did you discuss any of these events
with Mr. Knipes who was next door to you?
A. No, sir.
Q. You never had any conversation?
A. I very rarely saw Mr. Knipes.
Q. You didn't see him at all after this?
A. No, sir.
Q. So you had no opportunity to discuss
these issues with him or with Mr. Bailey at
the Lorraine?
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A. No, sir.
Q. Not at all?
A. No, sir.
Q. Then you eventually closed down Jim's
Grill.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. That would have been in '71?
A. I think it was July '71.
Q. Right.
A. I'm almost sure it was.
Q. Which of the staff continued to work
with you right up until the time when you
closed?
A. The only person that I had working
for me right until I closed was Bobbi.
Q. Bobbi continued to work with you?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Right until you closed?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What happened to Betty?
A. She left my employment and went to
work for the restaurant on the corner of Main
and Calhoun.
Q. The Arcade?
A. Yeah, Arcade.
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Q. She went to work down there?
A. Yes.
Q. Alda Mae, she was where?
A. She just worked for me part time.
Q. Still part time. Rosie Lee?
A. I think she had already gone before I
took over.
Q. Rosie Lee Dabney?
A. She was already gone.
Q. So Bobbi was the only one who was
there?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Lena had gone?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. When did -- did Bobbi stay right up
to the end?
A. Stayed right to the day I closed,
yes, sir.
Q. All right. After the killing, when
was the next time that you went out into that
back area?
A. I believe it was two or three days
later. They had already cleaned it up when I
went back there.
Q. You went back there and saw it
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cleaned up much the same way that we've shown
in the photographs earlier?
A. Yes.
Q. It was all cleaned up?
A. Yeah.
Q. Did you know how it got cleaned up?
A. I have no idea.
Q. Do you know who cleaned it up?
A. I did not know at the time, but I
heard later that the city cleaned it up, a
city crew cleaned it up.
Q. Did you hear when that city crew
cleaned it up?
A. No, sir, I did not.
Q. When that cleaning up was going on,
you did not hear it or see it at all?
A. No, sir.
Q. Is it possible that they could have
done such a big clean up as that without you
seeing it?
A. The only way I would have known they
were out there is if I went out the back
door, which I didn't do.
Q. So it's possible all this work could
have been going on and you wouldn't have
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known anything about it?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. So you remember seeing it cleaned up
a few days afterwards?
A. It was several days afterwards.
Q. That was the first time you saw it?
A. First time I went out in the back.
Q. First time you went out in the back?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You saw it all cleaned up?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you go down to the basement that
time?
A. Yeah. That's the reason I went out
to the back, to go to the basement. I don't
remember what for.
Q. You went down there. Did you see
anything different or strange in the
basement?
A. No.
Q. It was basically the same it had been
before?
A. Yes.
(End of deposition testimony.)
MR. GARRISON: That's it. Your
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Honor, that's all from the deposition.
THE COURT: All right. You
might wonder why we didn't swear him in. He
wasn't testifying for himself, he was reading
the testimony of someone else. All right.
MR. PEPPER: Your Honor,
plaintiffs are going to forgo any additional
attempts to examine Mr. Jowers believing, on
the basis of the record that's created here,
that to all of the questions he will likely
continue to plead the Fifth Amendment.
Therefore, plaintiffs have one -- one final
witness, and that witness is Mr. Dexter Scott
King.
Now, we thought we might be deposing
Mr. Jowers, so Mr. King is just arriving in
the city about this time, so we would -- we
would propose to call him first thing this
afternoon prior to closing our case. But
Mr. Garrison has informed me that one of his
witnesses under subpoena has arrived and is
waiting in the hallway. And the plaintiffs
have no objection to Mr. Garrison calling his
first witness out of turn and -- that would
be prior to plaintiffs closing their case
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if Your Honor wishes to do that at this hour.
THE COURT: All right. That's
permissible. We'll allow that. And let me
explain to you Ladies and Gentlemen of the
Jury, the defendant is going to put on one of
his witnesses, but the plaintiff has not yet
completed his proof. All right.
MR. MYERS: Your Honor, may we
approach before this witness? I want to
bring one matter to the Court's attention at
side bar.
THE COURT: All right.
(A bench conference was held at
sidebar outside the hearing of the jury.)
MR. MYERS: Your Honor, the only
request that the State has with respect to
Mr. Glankler, he is the chief investigator
for the task force. He runs undercover
operatives. And I note that there are
cameras in this courtroom. What we ask is if
the Court would order that his face not be
shown for purposes so that --
THE COURT: Mr. Glankler?
MR. MYERS: Mr. Glankler.
THE COURT: The attorney?
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MR. MYERS: He's not an
attorney. It's his son.
THE COURT: Oh, I see.
MR. MYERS: Yes, sir, he is the
chief investigator in the drug task force
unit.
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. PEPPER: No problem with
that, Your Honor.
THE COURT: All right. You can
just go whenever you want -- do you want them
to bring him in?
MR. MYERS: I don't know if they
have an electronic ability to scramble his
face.
THE COURT: Well, the cameras --
we can't control those other cameras.
MR. MYERS: The other question I
have of the Court is on this morning's ruling
as to objections being made.
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. MYERS: Would the State be
permitted to interpose objections for the
purpose of protecting privileges, work
product and any prosecutorial process?
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THE COURT: I'll rule on all
those objections as they emerge.
MR. MYERS: And the Court will
permit me to make those objections?
THE COURT: Sure.
MR. PEPPER: Are you going to be
able to get him with his face covered, or you
may need time to do that? If he's going to
take time to do that, we're running into the
afternoon now, I suggest we stay with the
regular order of things and we'll call our
last witness, and then they can put him on.
How long --
MR. GARRISON: It's going to be
rather short I think.
MR. PEPPER: I might take a
little time with him.
MR. GARRISON: He's here and
ready.
THE COURT: Do you have
something to --
MR. MYERS: I do not. I
thought -- I assumed there would be the
electronic ability to scramble.
THE COURT: He probably can
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handle it. But you have these other cameras
that can't do that -- the still ones.
MR. MYERS: I believe it's in
the Court's discretion to ask that pictures
not be taken of him, and I would ask the
Court to exercise discretion in that regard.
THE COURT: I'll do that. I'll
do that. I still don't know whose present in
the courtroom.
MR. MYERS: Yes, sir, I
understand. Someone may see him who
recognizes him, but our concern is
broadcasting his picture at large.
THE COURT: I'll tell the still
cameras. And let me -- let's find out
whether or not those cameras can do it. Have
that camera man come over here, the TV man.
THE BAILIFF: Yes, sir.
THE COURT: They are concerned
about the identity of this witness over here
and want to know if there's some way that you
can obscure his face so that it won't be
recognizable.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Excuse
me, Your Honor. I'm with Court TV.
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UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: She's the
producer.
THE COURT: They're concerned
about the safety of this next witness, if his
identity is known, and want to know if you
can obscure his face so that he won't be
recognizable.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: What we
can do is shoot the lawyers and -- maybe
shoot him from here down, not shoot his face,
as opposed to obscuring his face. Does that
satisfy you?
MR. MYERS: That's fine as long
as his face does not show.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: And we
can report his name and everything?
MR. MYERS: I believe so. Let
me just check.
THE COURT: We'll just wait.
MR. CARTER: Good afternoon,
Your Honor. My name is Robert Carter. I'm
assistant district attorney over there, and
I'm the director of the West Tennessee Drug
Task Force. Mr. Glankler is currently
assigned to our task force, and I'd like to
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strenuously request that his visual image not
be made public in this.
THE COURT: We've agreed to
that.
MR. CARTER: Well, if I heard it
correctly, we thought about maybe trying to
shoot from his head down. Well, I happen to
be here, and I see a number of people with
hand-held cameras. I mean, we're talking
about his life is at stake.
THE COURT: I'm going to tell
those hand-held cameras not to take
pictures.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: And we
can shoot just the attorneys.
MR. CARTER: That's fine.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: And not
shoot him at all.
MR. CARTER: It's not a matter
of us trying keep an operation going. This
is personal security for this individual.
THE COURT: We can accommodate
him.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: We do
this all the time. We have yet to have that
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problem.
MR. MYERS: I understand. And
this has been a unique situation, as you
know.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: We'll
watch the camera.
MR. MYERS: Thank you.
THE COURT: All right.
(The bench conference was
concluded and the following proceedings were
held in the hearing and presence of the
jury.)
MARK GLANKLER,
Having been first duly sworn, was examined
and testified as follows:
DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. GARRISON:
Q. Hi, Mr. Glankler. How are you today?
A. Good morning -- or good afternoon.
Q. Good afternoon. Let me ask you --
I'm not going into any great detail of your
background because I understand for security
reasons. But let me ask you, among other
things, have you investigated or conducted an
investigation over the last 24, 36 months --
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the investigation concerning the
assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King?
A. Yes.
Q. All right. And would you tell His
Honor and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury --
A. I'm sorry. I can't hear.
Q. And would you tell His Honor and
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury about when
that started roughly?
A. I was appointed to begin the
investigation in December of '93.
Q. All right. Who -- was it the
District Attorney -- who appointed you to do
that?
A. The District Attorney General.
Q. All right. And tell us, how did you
go about conducting that investigation. Did
you talk to witnesses or how did you -- what
all did you do?
A. There were numbers of things to do.
And we did what was our instruction to do.
They had a plan and -- what they wanted us --
or who they wanted us to talk to or attempt
to talk to.
Q. All right, sir.
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A. The beginning thing started with
trying to locate some of the original
witnesses.
Q. All right, sir. Would it be a fair
statement to say you talked to many witness?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Took affidavits or statements from
many witnesses?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. All right. And did you take the
affidavits and reports back to the District
Attorney General after you obtained those?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. All right. And after the
investigation was concluded, was there a
report then written partially by you or by
the District Attorney General as to what the
findings were based upon your investigation?
A. With all due respect, which District
Attorney? I mean, any of those --
Q. Well, I believe that -- Rodney
started after you; am I correct?
A. Yes.
Q. The present District Attorney is
Mr. Gibbons; am I correct sir?
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A. Yes, sir.
Q. All right. There was a report
written last year in 1998; am I correct, sir?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. How many pages does that report
contain?
A. I do not know.
Q. Did you ever see it?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you ever read it?
A. A portion of it. It's on the
internet.
Q. Did you author any of the report?
A. Beg your pardon?
Q. Were you the author of any part of
that report?
A. No, sir, I did not write the report.
Q. Was that report based upon -- I know
you had someone else that worked with you.
But was it based upon some of the affidavits
that you had taken and some of the
investigation that you uncovered in
determining what took place here?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. All right. Well, would it be fair to
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say that the report was as much as 40 pages?
A. Sir, I don't know. I wouldn't know.
Q. How long has it been since you read
it?
A. Quite -- quite some time.
Q. All right. You did read the report?
A. I want to say that -- yes, sir. I
mean, I've read it, but it's just been so
long, and my current reassignment to other
duties.
Q. The conclusion of the report was, as
I understand it, that --
MR. MYERS: I'm going to object
on hearsay. I mean, that's -- the report --
it's getting into out-of-court statements for
the purposes of offering them for the truth
of the matter asserted.
MR. GARRISON: I'll withdraw the
question.
Q. (BY MR. GARRISON) Let me ask you
this: Did you find anyone else that was
involved in the assassination, based upon all
the statements that you took and the
affidavits, other than James Earl Ray?
MR. MYERS: Your Honor, again,
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these reports are in the document. The
document speaks for itself. At this point
I'm going to renew my objection as to
competency to testify. This witness has no
personal knowledge of those facts. So that
the State doesn't waive -- and to preserve
that objection, I will raise it again at this
time.
MR. GARRISON: Your Honor, based
on his personal knowledge and the
investigation that he did, I think he can
certainly answer my question if he knows or
doesn't know.
MR. MYERS: Your Honor, if
you're getting into his opinion as to whether
somebody acted alone, whether somebody had
help, this gets into work product.
MR. GARRISON: Well, we had been
through that already, Your Honor. The report
has been circulated around the King family
and others, and it's generally been seen, so
it's no private thing. I think he can answer
a question as to whether or not he found
anyone else that was involved from his
investigation other than James Earl Ray.
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MR. MYERS: Your Honor, that's
necessarily opinion. Whether in his opinion
there was somebody involved, whether in his
opinion there wasn't somebody involved.
MR. GARRISON: I'm not asking
for his opinion. Your Honor, I'm asking what
he knows from his personal investigation. I
think he can answer yes or no.
THE COURT: You're asking him if
he has any personal knowledge of the
involvement of someone else?
Q. (BY MR. GARRISON) Based upon your
personal investigation, Mr. Glankler, did you
find anyone that told you or gave an
affidavit saying anyone was involved in the
assassination other than James Earl Ray?
MR. MYERS: I'm going to object
to the form of the question. It's asking
based on the investigation as opposed to
personal knowledge.
MR. GARRISON: Your Honor, I
presume if he investigated it, he has some
personal knowledge. I don't know how he can
investigate and not have knowledge of it
unless he didn't know what he was doing each
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day.
THE COURT: Well, you can
rephrase the question and ask him of his
personal knowledge.
MR. GARRISON: All right.
Q. (BY MR. GARRISON) Mr. Glankler, you
had personal knowledge -- you knew what you
were doing when you took these affidavits;
did you not, sir?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you know what you were doing
then?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you know what you were seeking?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. All right. Based upon what you have
conducted in the investigation and talking to
the people you've talked to and affidavits
you've taken, did you find anyone else that
told you -- any affidavit or any information
from any source that anyone had anything to
do with the assassination except James Earl
Ray?
MR. MYERS: Again, objection.
There's hearsay called for in this and,
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again, it's going to opinion as opposed to
fact.
THE COURT: I'm going to allow
him to answer that one.
Q. (BY MR. GARRISON) All right. What is
your answer, Mr. Glankler?
A. No, sir.
Q. All right. Now, how many witnesses
would you say you interviewed? As much as
20, 30, 40, 50? How many?
A. Probably closer to the 40, 50 range.
Q. I'm sorry, how many?
A. I said probably closer to the 40 or
50 range. And I could be even off from that.
Q. All right.
A. This spanned five years.
Q. All right. This was over a five-year
period that you interviewed witnesses; am I
correct, sir?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. All right. Now, Mr. Glankler, did
you ever have any conversation with a
Mr. Loyd Jowers?
A. On one occasion, yes, sir, that I
recall.
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Q. What was the occasion for that?
A. He called me.
Q. All right. Did you record it?
A. Yes, sir, I believe I did.
Q. All right. In fact, you've shown
that to Mr. Gerald Posner and let him listen
to it, who wrote a book about it, didn't you?
A. No, sir, I did not.
Q. How did he get it in his book? He
said he listened to it. How did he get it?
A. I don't know how he got it,
Counselor. I didn't give it to him.
Q. Okay. What was the extent of the
conversation with Mr. Jowers?
A. Well, I think the crux of it was he
was --
MR. MYERS: Your Honor, I'm
going to object on hearsay as to what
Mr. Jowers may have said to this investigator
out of court. And under Rule 803 it's
classic hearsay.
MR. GARRISON: I think it
certainly goes to the heart of this case. My
client is a defendant, and I have a right to
know what statement he's taken from him and
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what was said.
MR. MYERS: Of course, evidence
has to be admissible even if it does go to
the heart of the case. And it falls under
hearsay and therefore, under the Rules of
Evidence, is inadmissible.
THE COURT: Are you suggesting
that it was a statement against his
interest?
MR. GARRISON: Your Honor, I
don't know what it was. He claims to have a
statement from Mr. Jowers. He's been
claiming that for years. And I've never had
the privilege of it, and I think I'm entitled
to know what the conversation consisted of,
what was said.
THE COURT: Do I understand the
statement itself was not a part of the file
that you --
MR. GARRISON: No, it was never
delivered to us, and I've never had it or any
way to review it.
THE COURT: I'll allow him to
answer.
Q. (BY MR. GARRISON) Can you tell us,
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Mr. Glankler, the extent of the conversation
you had with Mr. Jowers? And it was about
this assassination, wasn't it?
A. First of all, it was a conversation,
not a statement.
Q. Okay.
A. He called me.
Q. And it was about the assassination,
wasn't it?
A. Well, he called me to complain, as I
tried to answer a moment ago.
Q. All right. Tell us about that.
A. It was an unexpected call. He calls,
and he's upset that we had interviewed a
number of his siblings and relatives.
Q. His relatives, all right. Go ahead.
A. And said that they had no knowledge
about any of the reports in the paper and on
television and whatnot. And he was upset
with the fact that we had gone to talk with
them.
Q. All right.
A. And I simply explained to him that
that was part of the investigative process.
I'm trying to remember what else he
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mentioned. He did mention to me that he
didn't -- he didn't want me to call any more
of his relatives. Well, you know, okay. And
one of the other things he was adamant about
was about the rifle. And that he told me
that was the correct rifle.
Q. And we're talking about the one
that's over and held by the Criminal Court
Clerk right now?
A. Mr. Garrison, I asked him. If I
remember correctly, I said, are you talking
about the one that was in the bundle that was
dropped and that kind of story, and he said
yes.
Q. He said that was the rifle?
A. That's what he told me.
Q. Okay.
A. And he just wanted to reiterate that
his family members didn't have any knowledge
one way or the other. In fact, commented
that he probably would be getting in trouble
for calling. And I said, you know, your
attorney didn't want, you know, us to talk to
you. So he called me on his own is all I can
tell you. And that's really all I remember
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about it.
Q. That's about the extent of the
conversation?
A. Yes, it wasn't very long.
MR. GARRISON: Okay. That's all
I have.
THE COURT: Okay, Mr. Pepper.
MR. PEPPER: Thank you, Your
Honor.
CROSS-EXAMINATION
BY MR. PEPPER:
Q. Good afternoon, Mr. Glankler.
A. Good afternoon, sir.
Q. Mr. Glankler, this Court and Jury
have heard evidence about various aspects of
plaintiffs' case related to the assassination
of Martin Luther King and the involvement of
Mr. Jowers. Let me ask you, in the course of
your investigation, did you consider whether
the brush area behind the rooming house was
cut down?
MR. MYERS: Your Honor, I'm
going to object in terms of deliberative
process, mental impression and everything
else as we discussed -- I'm renewing my
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objections that were raised in the hearing
this morning.
MR. PEPPER: Your Honor,
Mr. Glankler conducted an investigation.
This is a critical area of the case. We're
dealing with a fact as to whether or not
something took place. His investigation
should have related to that -- that
incident. Plaintiffs simply want to know if
he investigated it and what was the result.
THE COURT: If he investigated
it?
MR. PEPPER: If in the course of
his investigation he considered that -- that
event.
THE COURT: Well, I'll sustain
the objection then.
Q. (BY MR. PEPPER) Mr. Glankler, did you
ever interview Mr. Maynard Stiles whose
testifying --
A. I know the name, Counselor, but I
don't think I took a statement from Maynard
Stiles or interviewed him. I don't think I
did.
Q. Did you ever interview Mr. Floyd
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Newsom?
A. Can you help me with what he does?
Q. Yes. He was a black fireman who was
assigned to Station Number 2.
A. I don't recall the name, Counsel.
Q. All right. Ever interview
Mr. Norville Wallace?
A. I don't recall that name either
offhand.
Q. Ever interview Captain Jerry
Williams?
A. Fireman also?
Q. Jerry Williams was a policeman. He
was a homicide detective.
A. No, sir, I don't -- I really don't
recall that name.
Q. Fair enough. Did you ever interview
Mr. Charles Hurley, a private citizen?
A. Does he have a wife named Peggy?
Q. Yes.
A. I think we did talk with a Peggy
Hurley or attempted to.
Q. Did you ever interview a Mr. Leon
Cohen?
A. Again, I just don't recall without --
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Q. Did you ever interview Mr. James
McCraw?
A. I believe we did. He talks with a
device?
Q. Yes, the voice box.
A. Yes, okay. I believe we did talk to
him, yes, sir.
Q. How about Mrs. Olivia Catling who has
testified --
A. I'm sorry, the last name again.
Q. Catling, C A T L I N G.
A. No, sir, that name doesn't --
Q. Did you ever interview Ambassader
Andrew Young?
A. No, sir.
Q. You didn't?
A. No, sir, not that I recall.
Q. Did you ever interview Judge Arthur
Haynes?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did you ever interview Mrs. Bobbi
Balfour?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you interview Attorney James
Lassar?
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A. Lassar?
Q. Lassar.
A. I don't recall.
Q. Did you ever interview Mr. Royce
Wilburn?
A. I don't recall that name either.
Q. Ever interview Mr. J.B. Hodges? He's
a former MPD patrolman.
A. I don't recall.
Q. Ever interview Reverand James Orange?
A. I know that name came up in the
investigation. I've heard it. I don't
recall having the opportunity to speak with
him. I don't think we did -- or I did
anyway.
Q. Ever interview a Portuguese
journalist who interviewed Raul's wife --
the alleged Raul's wife -- a woman named
Barbara Reis?
A. A Portuguese journalist?
Q. Yes, who was covering this case.
A. I don't recall that name.
Q. Did you ever interview Mr. Jack
Saltman?
A. Well, Mr. -- if you say
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"interviewed" -- I don't know if that would
be the proper term. But he had been to our
office a number of times to give
information.
Q. Did you ever take a statement from
him?
A. A direct statement?
Q. Right.
A. No, sir, if you're talking in terms
of formal -- I don't recall taking one from
him, no, sir. I know that he came to talk to
us and was wanting to offer information about
things and --
Q. All right. Did you ever interview a
Mr. Bill Hamblin?
A. Hamblin?
Q. H A M B L I N, close friend of
Mr. McCraw's for 15 years.
A. Again, Counselor --
Q. Okay.
A. -- I really don't recall. There's so
many names. I'm trying to remember the ones
I can.
Q. I appreciate that. I appreciate
that. It's been a long investigation for you
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as well. Mr. J.J. Isabell?
A. Again, it's a name it seems like I've
heard. I don't believe I did.
Q. How about Mr. Carthel Weeden, did you
ever interview him?
A. Say that last name again for me.
Q. Carthel Weeden.
A. No, sir.
Q. Do you know who he is?
A. To be honest with you, I can't pull
it up right this second.
Q. He's the captain of Fire Station
Number 2. He ran the fire house --
A. Okay.
Q. -- in the approximate locality of the
killing. He was in charge of everything that
happened in that fire house.
A. Okay.
Q. Did you ever interview Reverend
Walter Fountroy?
A. No, sir.
Q. Mr. Louis Ward -- you ever interview
Mr. Louis Ward?
A. I don't recall. It's a common name,
but I don't recall his name.
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Q. Did you ever interview Mr. Steve
Tomkins who was a Commercial Appeal reporter?
A. I don't -- I don't know if we
interviewed him, but I recall there was an
article in the paper. I remember his
involvement. That's about the best I can do
for you on that -- or alleged involvement.
Q. All right. You ever interview a cab
driver named Jimmy Adams?
A. I don't recall that name, no, sir.
Q. Did you ever interview a former New
York Times journalist, a New York Daily News
correspondent named Earl Caldwell?
A. Earl Caldwell? Not that I recall.
Q. You never interviewed him in the
course of your investigation?
A. Beg your pardon?
Q. You never interviewed him in the
course of your investigation?
A. I just don't recall that name.
MR. PEPPER: I have no further
comments about this investigation -- no
further questions for this investigator.
REDIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. GARRISON:
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Q. Mr. Glankler, you worked on
documenting this investigation on behalf of
the State of Tennessee, weren't you?
A. Yes, sir, at the instruction of the
District Attorney General.
Q. That's Mr. Barrout (phonetic) that
you started out with?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And did you ever find any witness at
all that you ever talked to that indicated
that Mr. Jowers had anything to do with the
assassination?
MR. MYERS: Again, this is
hearsay, Your Honor, and witness statements,
part of the record and speak for themselves.
MR. GARRISON: Your Honor, I
think I have a right to ask him if he -- of
his own personal knowledge of the
investigation what he found. It's certainly
a pertinent question.
MR. MYERS: The question of
necessity is asking him to draw conclusions
if there's -- if there's something in that
statement that would lead him to conclude
that somebody acted alone or there were
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other --
MR. GARRISON: Let me ask it
another way.
Q. (BY MR. GARRISON) Mr. Glankler, of
all the people you talked to, did anyone ever
state to you that Mr. Jowers had anything to
do with the assassination?
A. Counsel --
MR. MYERS: That's hearsay, and
I'm going to object on those grounds.
THE COURT: It also is -- asks
the question of whether or not there was any
kind of selective prosecution. I'm going to
allow him to answer.
Q. (BY MR. GARRISON) Can you answer the
question, Mr. Glankler?
A. I'll try. We talked to a number of
people as you know.
Q. Yes.
A. Some people tried to support claims
of Mr. Jowers' involvement. But in the
interview process, you know, like --
especially --
MR. MYERS: Your Honor, may we
approach a minute?
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THE COURT: Yes.
(A bench conference was held at
sidebar outside the hearing of the jury.)
MR. MYERS: Your Honor, this is
the first time I've heard the words
"selective prosecution." I would draw the
Court's attention to United States v.
Armstrong cited in the State's memorandum
from this morning. In U.S. v. Armstrong,
before any inquiries into selective
prosecution may be made, the person
alleging -- making such allegations, number
one, make a specific allegation of it.
Number two, has come forward with credible
proof that there was indeed a selective
prosecution by showing someone else was
deserving of it.
My understanding of this was that
from the way this is cast, it was not a
matter of -- a question of selective
prosecution, it was a question of somebody
was involved or not involved. And --
THE COURT: I believe you're
right. And I believe we have ridden this
horse as much as we can anyway.
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MR. GARRISON: Okay.
THE COURT: I'll reverse my
ruling and sustain his objection.
MR. GARRISON: All right.
(The bench conference was
concluded and the following proceedings were
held in the hearing and presence of the
jury.)
Q. (BY MR. GARRISON) Mr. Glankler, the
report that was written had a conclusion to
it, didn't it? It had a concluding point to
the report, didn't it?
A. That being the one from the Attorney
General?
Q. At the end of the report.
A. The Attorney General did.
Q. It gave a number of witnesses that
had been interviewed and what each said.
MR. MYERS: Your Honor, that
document speaks for itself. And if it's a
document that's evidenced, I'm going to
object on those grounds.
MR. GARRISON: Well, Your Honor,
if he will produce a document, that will be
great. We'll let the jury look at it if he
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will produce a document. Otherwise I think
I've got a right to ask him about a report
that he authored and investigated.
MR. MYERS: Well, Your Honor,
counsel seems to have a lot of knowledge
about a report he's never seen.
MR. GARRISON: I have seen it.
MR. MYERS: And if it has been
seen, presumably counsel ought to have a
copy, and that could be entered into
evidence. That's the best evidence as to
what this report says.
MR. GARRISON: Your Honor,
unfortunately, I don't have a copy. The King
family let me read it. And he knows about
it, he helped author it, and I think I've got
a right to ask him about it.
MR. MYERS: He didn't testify
that he helped author it, Your Honor. He
said that he investigated it and others
authored it. So he's being asked to testify
as to a document he's really not competent to
testify to.
MR. GARRISON: Your Honor, if
counsel will agree to produce the copy of the
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report for us, well, that will be super, and
we'll end this right now.
THE COURT: What's the question
again?
MR. GARRISON: If he will agree < |